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Mattias Östmar has left a new comment on your post “Wilber leaves essential information out of his pre…“: Hi! This post feels kinda nagging to me.

Is it (true, kind and…) necessary to have as a starting point for this good post to find the fault in others, when you already make a good case by adding further reading yourself? It’s of course impossible to cover everything about such a vast field as evolution and the human mind even if you write many and long books like Ken Wilber.

You seem like a knowledgeable guy – so why not spread some positive vibes by saying something more like: “In response to Wilber’s view on Evolution – here´s my own view”. Posted by Mattias Östmar to Savitri Era Learning Forum at 9:26 PM, November 18, 2010

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post “There is much that is murky, obscure and dark in t…“:  About trustees, may be this applies or may be it doesn’t.

The question of the relationship between leadership and corruption has been discussed since antiquity. In the folklore of many cultures, a man or woman of exceptional leadership has often been thought closer to the megalomaniac than to the ordinary mortal. Indian tradition offers hundreds of examples of rishis, kings, and generals whom others regarded, at least sometimes, as out of their minds. India assigns an honored place to the inspired leader once their accomplishments have been accepted. In the West, someone who acts autocratically and claims divine right is more likely to be considered a psychotic with grand delusions. Posted by Anonymous to Savitri Era Open Forum at 10:42 AM, November 20, 2010

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post “Shift the irrelevant personal sandals from ideolog…“: Your site has elicited a few truly amazing phrases (in terms of humor) that must be memorialized as acronyms:

STIPS = Shift The Irrelevant Personal Sandals, as in the title of this post.
EOTM = Eat Only The Menu, as in “do you go to a restaurant to eat only the menu”.
Please maintain a running list, perhaps in the right hand column. Alert and jocund readers, please add more as you come across them. Posted by Anonymous to Savitri Era Open Forum at 3:07 PM, November 19, 2010

Re: Archetypal Images and Symbols—Paulette’s Comment for Posting by manasi on Thu 28 May 2009 03:54 PM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link

All I said was, that if people shout from the top of the roofs that Mr. Heehs has a right to express what he wants and publish his views and it is a basic human right, then I wish to politely and softly remind you, going to court for trying to put right a wrong done to someone (in this case, the devotee’s identification with her Master was so strong, that she took this biography to be a personal affront) is as much a human right in our country. And none of us have a right to decide for her that her right extends only up to reading or not reading the book if she dislikes it, but that she can not go to court about it. This is a democratic country and these kind of dictatorial decisions can not be enforced on the citizens of this free and fair country.

ON REVISED EDITIONS

They are the management of Sri Aurobindo Ashram, and who in their right mind would believe that such practices are going on behind given the name of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother. There are now 100 or more known legal cases against the Ashram’s management and a lot of time and energy and devotees fund is spent by the Ashram Trust in courtroom activities. It is these people and the team of Peter Heehs who have spoilt the spiritual atmosphere to a certain extent and brought fear and terror to Sri Aurobindo’s atmosphere. Now they have come up with a new biography on Sri Aurobindo written by Peter Heehs to twist and mock and bring down the Master’s greatness under the disguise of authentic research material with Manoj Das Gupta’s power support.

Manoj Das Gupta demands apology from RY Deshpande by RY Deshpande on Mon 01 Nov 2010 03:30 AM IST  |  Permanent Link |  Cosmos

A hundred years ago CR Das was fighting in the Alipore Case more for the Doctrine of Nationalism than defending an accused; the beauty is, for preaching such a Doctrine none can be held guilty. Should that not hold true when it is the matter of psychic and spiritual reverence to the Mother and the Master who attempted all and did all for us? We have to be at least grateful for all that we receive from them. Let me tell you that what I am fighting for are these basic spiritual verities. This is what the Ashram as an Institution should uphold. If it fails in it, then it has no reason to exist.

Mirror of Tomorrow :: Manoj Das Gupta demands apology from RY Deshpande By RY Deshpande

You will recollect that every cordial attempt was made during the last two years to warn you the disastrous path of falsehood you had been adopting in the context of the infamous Lives of Sri Aurobindo. You did not heed Pranab; …

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post “I should not be made any administrative head, let …“:

Extremely childish of Anonymous and R.K. Ignoring the real context of the letter, you have succumbed to yellow journalism. The context of the letter has been completely overlooked by you or perhaps you don’t have the sensibility to respond to Alok’s letter in the true sense. Accept his challenge and fight, if you must, for the Truth instead of creating sensational news out of something that is far more meaningful than what you have made it out to be. This is unacceptable behavior in my opinion. The last thing a sensible reader would read from the letter is that Alok wants trusteeship. I mean, it is utter foolishness. Posted by Anonymous to Savitri Era Open Forum at 9:36 AM, November 17, 2010

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post “I should not be made any administrative head, let …“:

1) You said “If he is a sadhak just as he should not be ambitious for such positions”
Alok was just trying to do exactly that, to be clear that he was NOT. I am sure if such a position would come he would accept it neutrally with equanimity. But somehow you read too much into it. Possibly a English class is in order?

2) You said “The subtle truth here is, Pandey like so many others, thinks that a position of responsibility or a trusteeship is a luxury. It is this idea which makes them envious and jealous of administrators and trustees”

It is great that you can read into subtle truths that no one else can decipher, but can you please sincerely be neutral and read Alok’s letter over again without any biases in your head. Imagine you are really anonymous and not just Anonymous in this blog. You will notice that you will read things you did not see before and instead of any subtle truths you will see exactly what was meant to be said.

3) You said “I was surprised because he (Alok) began publicising innuendoes and attacks against the Trustees as soon as he was admitted to the Ashram…. It is obvious that he was waiting for a chance to abuse his position as an inmate of the Ashram”

What innuendos are you talking about? Can you please post a few of them that are not related to the current subject at hand? All of Alok’s comments have been about the TLOSA and subjects related to the book. Alok has, from the beginning, been courageous enough to always state the facts and bring the truth forward since the book was first published a couple of years back, which by the way was before he was admitted to the ashram.

4) You said “Was he in a fit state of consciousness…. It is time for the Ashram Trust to think if such a gentleman deserved to be admitted by them”

Thank you for being so polite in your comments, but nonetheless this is a personal attack and directly or indirectly you are calling names. Like you so politely asked Govind, I humbly ask you to reread your comment and see that you are indirectly calling names.

5) You said “If Ashram was valuable for him gratitude should have kept him quiet at least for some time.”

WHY should we have gratitude towards the ashram? We should be grateful to the TRUTH, to The Mother, to Sri Aurobindo and not the trustees or the Ashram or anything you have said directly or that you have implied indirectly. Can I please request you to think about it? If the Ashram or the trustees are in the wrong then we must stand up and speak the truth.

Finally, Alok’s letter is not only coherent it is sound, balanced and reasonable. He has asked for Unity under The Mother, asked for an open discussion, requested that senior members of the ashram call for a more open forum of discussion and also asked anyone to discuss the details of the book with him openly.

Why is everyone so worried about freedom? What hue and cry about a stupid man and his book. Nothing will and can happen to Freedom. Freedom will thrive and more robustly after we put this issue behind us. This is NOT about Freedom anyway, but rather the misuse and misrepresentation of the Master. If you are so willing to support a stupid book, how can you expect people not to support and fight for a proper representation of the Master? It just seems so absurd that PH, who has so intentionally put something harmful in public is being supported while one who is defending The Mother and Sri Aurobindo is being rebuked. Posted by Anonymous to Savitri Era Open Forum at 9:46 AM, November 17, 2010

paulette has left a new comment on your post “It was Kireet Joshi who ultimately saved the Ashra…“:

The split between the SAS and Auroville initiated in November 1975, when a group of residents registered the ARA, a legal body called the Auroville Residents Association. The SAS took the matter to court and got an immediate injunction. This marked the beginning of a long, painful war, where excesses were committed on both sides. By the mid seventies the Sri Aurobindo Society, heavily indebted, had blocked all flow of money directed towards Auroville; there were law and order problems as well. On 21.12.1976 the Government of India passed a resolution constituting an Auroville Committee “under the chairmanship of the Lieutenant-Governor of Pondicherry with representatives of the Government of Tamil Nadu and of the Ministry of Home Affairs in the Central Government” for the purpose of thoroughly investigating the Sri Aurobindo Society’s affairs and modus operandi. The committee submitted its report in 1977. Because of its findings, with the Auroville (Emergency Provisions) Ordinance, first promulgated by the President of India on November 10, 1980, one month later replaced by an Act of Parliament, the Government of India took over management of Auroville from the Sri Aurobindo Society, appointing as Administrator a retired Judge from the High Court assisted by a Deputy Administrator. This came into immediate force.

The Sri Aurobindo Society, which was registered in 1961 in Calcutta, challenged the initiative in the Calcutta High Court with a writ petition contesting the constitutional validity of the Act. The Government had the case transferred to the Supreme Court, which decided that constitutional matters were involved and set, for this purpose, a special Constitutional Bench consisting of five judges, debating the distinction between religion and spirituality. For one claim of the SAS was that the Government was interfering with Auroville’s right to practice its own religion, based on the teachings of Sri Aurobindo. Had Sri Aurobindo’s “teachings” been acknowledged as a religion, the SAS would have regained control of Auroville.

In 1982 a judgment was passed by a full constitutional bench of the Supreme Court in favor of Auroville against the Sri Aurobindo Society, upholding the validity of the Act. Major Gen. Krishna Tewari, retired, was the signatory for Auroville. At first valid two years, and extendable for not more than five, the “Emergency Provisions” remained in vigor for eight consecutive years, as it kept being extended from year to year. The debate in Parliament went on for years, throughout the transitional period under the Administrator’s umbrella, until the Auroville (Emergency Provisions) Ordinance (shortly afterwards turned into an Act by the Parliament then in session), gave way to the final legislation. On September 29, 1988 the Auroville Foundation was established by an Act of the Parliament.

Kireet Joshi, who in 1977 had resigned as registrar of the Sri Aurobindo Ashram system of education, and had settled in Delhi as special adviser on education of Indira Gandhi, was directly involved throughout all the legal battling, and so were some Aurovilians close to him. Kireet is the father of the Auroville Foundation Act that, if integrally implemented, is but the legal side of the Mother’s guidelines for Auroville regarding a number of most essential aspects. Having discussed for years the process with some of the major protagonists, I have glued excerpts from a book that I have published years ago with a grant from the Auroville Foundation, together with additional information. This is the historical truth, leaving no space for fanciful interpretations – whether by supramental successors or other characters adorning this picturesque blog.

paulette has left a new comment on your post “Sudha Sinha is a resident inmate of the Ashram wit…“:

I have replied yesterday on the reasons for the Sri Aurobindo Society war, and the outcome of it. But as it seems that our ineffable Prof has problems, here is the abridged answer.

By the mid seventies the Sri Aurobindo Society, heavily indebted, had blocked all flow of money directed towards Auroville; there were law and order problems as well. On 21.12.1976 the Government of India passed a resolution constituting an Auroville Committee “under the chairmanship of the Lieutenant-Governor of Pondicherry with representatives of the Government of Tamil Nadu and of the Ministry of Home Affairs in the Central Government” for the purpose of thoroughly investigating the Sri Aurobindo Society’s affairs and modus operandi. The committee submitted its report in 1977. Because of its findings, with the Auroville (Emergency Provisions) Ordinance, first promulgated by the President of India on November 10, 1980, one month later replaced by an Act of Parliament, the Government of India took over management of Auroville from the Sri Aurobindo Society, appointing as Administrator a retired Judge from the High Court assisted by a Deputy Administrator. This came into immediate force.

The Sri Aurobindo Society, which was registered in 1961 in Calcutta, challenged the initiative in the Calcutta High Court with a writ petition contesting the constitutional validity of the Act. The Government had the case transferred to the Supreme Court, which decided that constitutional matters were involved and set, for this purpose, a special Constitutional Bench consisting of five judges, debating the distinction between religion and spirituality. For one claim of the SAS was that the Government was interfering with Auroville’s right to practice its own religion, based on the teachings of Sri Aurobindo. Had Sri Aurobindo’s “teachings” been acknowledged as a religion, the SAS would have regained control of Auroville. In 1982 a judgment was passed by a full constitutional bench of the Supreme Court in favor of Auroville against the Sri Aurobindo Society, upholding the validity of the Act.

I will forward to Prof the first chapter of “The Auroville Foundation Act and the Mother Guidelines”, a book I wrote in 2005, sponsored by the Auroville Foundation/GOI. It was my svadharma, as an Aurovilian, to ascertain the historical facts. But as I have never been an Ashram inmate it is equally my svadharma not to enter into the Ashram’s internal matters. These, concerning exclusively those who have chosen to live as ashramites, must be sorted out EXCLUSIVELY from within the perspective of Integral Yoga. This demands dealing with what the Mother calls the shadow, and Sri Aurobindo the evil persona [SABCL, LY p.1660]. All the years I lived in Pondy I refused to be involved with Auroville’s internal affairs, during the SAS war. But upon joining Auroville, in 1985, after a preliminary year working at the Matrimandir construction, on the roof, I spent the next five years doing archival research on Mother’s undiluted vision of Auroville: concept of the town, Matrimandir, guidelines etc. Funded by the GOI, this resulted in several compilations distributed for free to the entire community.
Facing one’s Evil Persona is the cure and answer. Integral Yoga! Paulette
Posted by paulette to Savitri Era Open Forum at 8:53 PM, November 15, 2010


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